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Herbert Nowell's avatar

I have long thought the average US politician, especially at the national level, were the best embodiment of Milton's Satan around. I'd argue your discussion today about the economy and what the President can do for it implicitly use that comparision.

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Sarah's avatar

Before reading...

Chocolate Covered Satan

Band name...called it

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J. Daniel Sawyer's avatar

*dies laughing*

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The Radical Individualist's avatar

I feel a little self-conscious, considering how much I love chocolate.

But it is intriguing to imagine a world in which we all take responsibility for our own lives. I hear it used to be like that once.

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J. Daniel Sawyer's avatar

At least in spots! It was a good place.

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Malenkiy Scot's avatar

Freedom is overrated

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J. Daniel Sawyer's avatar

I could't disagree more

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Malenkiy Scot's avatar

Good.

Let's try it from a different angle, then: political liberty is overrated.

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J. Daniel Sawyer's avatar

Again, I don't agree (especially in a world where everything is politicized). Democracy, OTOH, has a definite shelf life and has far more downsides than most people are willing to cop to.

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Malenkiy Scot's avatar

I think that promises of individual political liberty were a trap: they separated people from their communities that were able to protect them, leaving them naked and defenseless against the Leviathan of the state.

"Liberté, égalité, fraternité"... the three heads of Cerberus

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J. Daniel Sawyer's avatar

There is, in my view, a substantial difference between Rousseuean liberty and Lockean liberty, and between bith and consumerism. Your description applies well to consumerism, decently to Rousseuean liberty, and not veey well at all to Lockean (esp as initially instantiated in the US, see Toqueville).

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